A person with a “beard and a penis” can “absolutely” be a woman, according to Chelsea Clinton, who told a British interviewer that she “strongly supports” biological men who identify as transgender women competing in women’s sports.
The Clintons were sitting down with Sunday Times journalist Decca Aitkenhead to promote the book they co-authored, The Book of Gutsy Women: Favorite Stories of Courage and Resilience, when Chelsea opened up about her views on biology, genitalia and gender.
The book features Danica Roem, the first transgender woman elected to a U.S. state legislature.
DailyMail reports: According Aitkenhead’s account of the interview with the Clintons, she tells Hillary during that many feminists of Hillary’s generation have a problem with the idea that a ‘lesbian who doesn’t want to sleep with someone who has a penis is transphobic.’
Hillary nods in agreement, while Chelsea ‘stiffens and stares at me’, according to Aitkenhead.
The journalist then adds that many women of Hillary’s generation are uncomfortable with biological males sharing women’s bathrooms.
‘I would say that, absolutely,’ Hillary nods firmly. ‘Absolutely. Yes.’
That’s when Chelsea begins shooting a ‘furious stare’ at Aitkenhead, who points it out to her.
‘I’m a terrible actor’, Chelsea laughs.
Chelsea then says she is thrilled with the National Health Service’s decision to assign patients to single-sex wards according to the gender they identify as, instead of their biological make up.
‘How can you treat someone if you don’t recognize who they feel and know in their core they are?’ Chelsea says.
‘And I strongly support children being able to play on the sports teams that match their own gender identity,’ she adds. ‘I think we need to be doing everything we can to support kids in being whoever they know themselves to be and discovering who they are.’
At this point Hillary looks conflicted.
‘I think you’ve got to be sensitive to how difficult this is,’ Hillary says. ‘There are women who’d say [to a trans woman], ”You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.” I hear that conversation all the time.’
Despite the clear tension in the room, the pair say they don’t argue about this topic.
But according to Aitkenhead, ‘I get the impression they don’t like to present anything less than a united front to the world.’